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Singer-songwriter Ben Rector joins Randy and DJ to explore the creative and logistical #Processes of making a record. Ben's latest album, The Joy of Music, is out now. The conversation wanders through a lot of different subjects, including where (and when) inspiration comes from, how an idea goes from something in the mind to something in the ear, the often tedious steps of producing and perfecting an album, and a lot more. If you want to check out Ben's album and see his tour schedule, visit 

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The No Laying Up collective chops it up with a wide variety of guests from all corners of the golf world, and more importantly, guests from the golf-adjacent world. 



181: Ben Rector & The Joy of Music

We roll on with Part 2 of our Oscars Extravaganza featuring Randy, DJ Pie and Timothy Simons! In this episode the trio gets in-depth on each of the ten Best Picture nominated films. There are heavy spoilers so plan your listening carefully. Discussion for each of the films begins at the following timestamps: 

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180: Oscars Extravaganza w/ Timothy Simons (Part 2)

The Oscars are this Sunday, March 27th. To help set the stage and get you prepared, Randy and DJ Pie have prepared a two-part Oscars Extravaganza with Timothy Simons (@timothycsimons). In Part 1, the trio go off in a lot of different directions covering the current state of film, favorite acting performances, the most fun they had at a movie this year, and much more. This episode is very light on any spoilers. I should mention, though, there's a House of Gucci comment at around the 47:00 minute mark, a Spider Man comment at around 1:06.30, and a West Side Story aside at 1:11.45--if you haven't seen those movies. Stay tuned for Part 2 later this week when the trio go in-depth on each Best Picture film. Enjoy!

179: Oscars Extravaganza w/ Timothy Simons (Part 1)

It's the best time of the year for basketball fans--NCAA March Madness is here! If you want a little help as you fill out a bracket, or simply crave some hoops talk as you wait for games tonight and this weekend, Randy chats with ESPN college basketball analyst, Seth Greenberg (@SethOnHoops), about who he likes (and doesn't like) heading into the first round. He highlights teams, players, matchups to watch, as well as shares his picks for the Final Four and National Championship. Enjoy!

178: MBB March Madness Preview w/ ESPN's Seth Greenberg

The war in Ukraine is all over the news, shifting by the day, and on the minds of Tron and Randy, so the two circle back with Cody McBride, CSO of Pro Traj Holdings, to discuss his reaction to events since they last spoke a couple weeks back. In the first part of the show the trio run through some other news of the day, including encouraging news on a bi-partisan bill to modernize the USPS! You can find Cody's weekly podcast, Downrange, anywhere you get this show. Enjoy!

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177: Checking Back on Ukraine (w/ Cody McBride)

We're talking all things LPGA this week! In Part One, Golfweek's Beth Ann Nichols (@GolfweekNichols) joins Randy to chat about the biggest stories in women's professional golf in 2022 and preview the 2022 season (approximately the first 40 minutes of the episode). And then in Part Two, Randy talks with newly-minted Solheim Cup captain, Stacy Lewis, about receiving that honor, what's she's doing already to prepare for 2023, any tweaks to the qualification system, whether she'll be a playing captain, and a lot more. Enjoy!

176: LPGA Talk (featuring Beth Ann Nichols & Stacy Lewis)

The situation developing in Ukraine is top of mind this week and therefore Randy and Tron felt the need to bring in NLU Chief Security Officer, Cody McBride, to offer his wisdom and perspective on what's unfolding. Cody has a deep history in the US military and is well-positioned to speak on the subject and inform a couple of lay people like TC and Randy. They cover some other pertinent news of the day too, including the Havana Syndrome. Enjoy!

Note: Cody is the host of Downrange, part of our NLU podcast family. You can find it wherever you get your podcasts. We encourage everybody to seek it out.

175: Ukraine

It's the day after a tough loss for Randy's Bengals and he works through his emotions with TC. Plus, he talks about getting blocked this weekend on Twitter by Phil Mickelson. Just a tuff couple of days. Plus some news of the day. Enjoy!

174: Super Bowl Reaction

Super Bowl 56 is here! Bob Sturm joins Tron and Randy to break down the game, and so much more. Bob is co-host of 'The Hardline', weekdays 3-7pm Central, on Dallas's The Ticket Sports Radio. In addition, he writes for The Athletic, and is generally one of the nicer and more thoughtful guys we know. We can't thank him enough for taking a break from his show on Radio Row this week to chat with us about all the most important matters of the day. Enjoy!

173: Super Bowl Preview (and more!) with Bob Sturm

This week's episode is a Perfect Club installment diving into the new Peter Jackson documentary, "The Beatles: Get Back," currently available on Disney +. DJ Pie hosts the discussion and is joined by ESPN's Kevin Van Valkenburg and Iration's Micah Pueschel (aka Poosh Daddy). The trio walk through the documentary, discussing their thoughts and feelings along the way--a perfect way to cap your viewing experience. Enjoy!

172: "The Beatles: Get Back" Perfect Club

We've broken a TrapDraw record for episode length, folks, so needless to say there's a lot in here.

In Hour 1 TC, Randy & KVV run through current events--the Tonga volcano/tsunami, the Burkina Faso coup, Ukraine, Buc-ees, the respective tenures of Randy Edsall and Ralph Friendgen, and the ineptitude of the NCAA's Mark Emmert, to name a few topics.

Hour 2 begins with a wonderful discussion around KVV's recent ESPN piece, "The Unfiltered Year of Aaron Rodgers."

At about the 1:40 mark, discussion turns to the coaching and quarterback fits of those teams searching.

Finally, at about 2:12 minutes, attention goes to the NFL Conference Championship games and what's at stake, including an impassioned defense of Zac Taylor from Randy.

Lots to unpack, for sure, but we hope you enjoy!

171: NFL Championship Games & So, So Much More (w/ Kevin Van Valkenburg)

In today's episode Randy speaks with writer/author Christopher Clarey of the New York Times and International Herald Tribune about the state of tennis heading into the year's first major, the Australian Open. The two then chat about the Christopher's wonderful biography of Roger Federer entitled, "The Master: The Long Run and Beautiful Game of Roger Federer." Enjoy!

(Note: this conversation was recorded before the Novak Djokovic situation entirely played out, so you won't get commentary specific to that)

170: Christopher Clarey on Tennis and the Masterful Roger Federer

In this week's episode Tron & Randy bring on Iration front-man, Mr. Poosh, to discuss his golf vendetta against NLU (except Neil), how the boys got on in Santa Barbara last week, some very important current news, and finally, who everybody likes in the NFL as the playoffs begin this weekend. Enjoy!

169: Golf, Santa Barbara, & NFL Playoffs with Mr. Poosh

Happy New Year! We're on to 2022! In the first episode of the new year, Tron, Randy, DJ, Neil, & Soly tackle what label to create for the new year. In other words, 2022 will be The Year of _________. After that is agreed upon, we go around the room and reflect back on how we did with our 2021 goals before unveiling our 2022 goals. Enjoy!

168: 2022 Goals!

Back by popular demand, NLU brings back a Trap Draw classic with a roundtable discussion of all things airports and the airline industry at large. TC goes one on one with each member of the crew to recap the highs and lows of the group's air travel in 2021.

167: Airports 2.0

The TrapDraw is back and we're headed well off the board. Today's guest is Matthew Stoller, an author, writer, and current Research Director for the American Economic Liberties Project. The basis for today's discussion is Matt's book, "Goliath: The 100-Year War Between Monopoly Power and Democracy". No matter your political stripes, I think you'll find Matt entertaining and informative on several of the issues facing America, and society, today. Enjoy!

166: Matthew Stoller

Today's episode is a two-part pod. In part one, Tron breaks down the recent upheaval in the college football coaching ranks with special guest Bunkie Perkins (@BunkiePerkins). Part two gives us chance to reflect on our favorite food experiences in 2021 - favorite restaurants, dishes recipes and a ton more.

165: College Football Coaching Madness and Favorite Food in 2021

Happy Thanksgiving! This week's episode features three people with a deep passion for golf writing: Jim Hartsell (@JimHHartsell), author of "The Secret Home of Golf: The Authorized History of King-Collins Golf and the Creation of Sweetens Cove"; Stephen Proctor (@SProctorGolf), author of "Monarch of the Green: Young Tom Morris, Pioneer of Modern Golf"; and Michael Wolf (@BamaBearcat), President of 288 Sports and an avid collector of rare golf books. These three join Randy to discuss their favorite 15 golf books of all time. So if you're looking for ideas on golf books to read, or shopping for a golf lover this holiday season, this episode is for you. Enjoy!

The Confidential Guide to Golf Courses (Tom Doak)

The Essential Henry Longhurst (Henry Longhurst)

The Story of American Golf (Herbert Warren Wind)

History of the R&A (3 volume set, multiple authors)

The Spirit of St. Andrews (Alister MacKenzie)

True Links (George Peper & Malcolm Campbell)

An Awakening at Sleepy Hollow (Jon Cavalier & Jason Way)

A Round of Golf with Tommy Armour (Tommy Armour)

Harvey Penick's Little Red Book (Harvey Penick)

A Love Affair with the Game (Sandy Tatum)

St. Andrews in the Footsteps of Old Tom Morris (Roger McStravick)

The World Atlas of Golf (1st edition, multiple authors)

A Round of Golf Courses (Patric Dickinson)

The Dogged Victims of Inexorable Fate (Dan Jenkins)

Blasted Heaths and Blessed Greens (James Finegan)

The Second Life of Tiger Woods (Michael Bamberger)

A Course Called... (whole series by Tom Coyne)